Couches on Fire

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Sunday, September 25, 2005

The Rosewood, New Blood

Recently someone suggested that the Rosewood Theatre was hurting financially on one of our comment threads, and it seemed like a good time to discuss the bar. Last night "Christmas Magic" and I attended the incredibly packed Rasputina show and I began to see how this place could be a really cool setting if the right bands came out. Full house, a show that was appropriate to sit through, good beer and wine and Stoney's for the cheapsters, and the sound, to me at least, was decent.

So why have they been having financial issues? Why aren't all of their shows having lines that wrapped around BW-3 like last night. Well, I'm sure everyone's got their theories, but I'll give you mine. It seemed like Gary had been booking touring acts appealing to a narrow demographic of Morgantown's populace. That's just me seeing from the outside looking in. Given, that demographic is ignored by 123 for the most part, but it's tough to imagine them supporting an entire venue.

That said, Gary does seem to have opened up the booking to include a lot of differing styles and some local/area acts (the Emergency, 6'6" 240, the Recipe, the Argument) and I think that's going to be necessary. I see more local acts that would normally probably play at the Brewpub (Vern's Pot o' Chili) and I think that's a good thing for them. There is some overlap with 123 but I think Gary is getting a little bolder with it and I think there has to be a little bit of overlap or there's no room in town for them.

The other problem they may have had is that for whatever reason, they have had some pretty bad sound in the past and treated local acts playing there in ways that can be described as anything from frustrating to intolerable depending on who you ask. I myself have experienced this firsthand and for a long time expected to never perform at an event there. However, I'm told that a lot of the problems have been smoothed over and let's hope this is true.

The last thing I'd like to mention is that I've heard there no less than four new bands in the works. I've heard at least one passing by their house and I'm really excited to hear all of them. As I said at some point in time, we need some new blood in the scene badly. There are a lot of excellent bands in town that have good draws, but a lot of them are starting to play too often and it could be a detriment to them. A few new bands will fill in a lot of holes. Also I note that the Devolvers seem to be back and playing Saturday's opening slot for the Walkmen, which should be great [EDIT: Joe confirmed they're not playing the show, I guess it was a communications error. Hopefully they'll be playing some shows soon though]. COBRA are one of the bands I was referring to in the four, which is a more 'rock' sounding band that I'm told is essentially the same lineup as Drown Culture. Their debut show is Saturday week. Another new band will be opening up for the Emergency at their Rosewood show this Friday, and they haven't yet picked a name I think. But make sure to come out early, what I've heard was pretty awesome.

27 Comments:

  • At 9/25/2005 5:14 PM, Blogger Skull-Shaped Maracas said…

    The Rosewood certainly appeals to a narrower demographic that most venues, and while sometimes I'm not part of that audience, I have much respect to Gary for sticking to his guns.

    And yes, that Cephas and Wiggins show was like a shot in my arm -- you can't fuck with authentic Piedmont Blues, can ya?

     
  • At 9/26/2005 9:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I just wanted to mention that The Devolvers will actually not be playing with The Walkmen. It was a simple miscommunication and all is well.

     
  • At 9/26/2005 9:51 AM, Blogger Brian said…

    Oh that's sucks I was looking forward to seeing you guys again. When are you playing a show again?

     
  • At 9/26/2005 1:44 PM, Blogger The Wilkinsons said…

    All I know is that when I was there - for a show that was clearly geared toward the youthful hipster music scene - the bar ran out of cheap beer around ten.

    A cynic might argue that they intentionally ran out of the cheap beer because they knew the customers had paid their five bucks and were probably going to pay for the more expensive beers. Sadly.

    I'll assume that it was a mistake, but man. What a stupid mistake. Any bar that doesn't plan any better than that is frustrating for the customer.

     
  • At 9/26/2005 1:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sam, what kind of beer do you prefer? Seriously...

     
  • At 9/26/2005 2:25 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    How did the beer hold up at last week's Corner Cafe last week?

     
  • At 9/26/2005 5:14 PM, Blogger The Wilkinsons said…

    The cheapest.

     
  • At 9/26/2005 6:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    it held up okay, i guess. perhaps we'll be able to tell how tight a ship they run at a more populated show.

    *j*

     
  • At 9/27/2005 12:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I too have played at the Rosewood, and I must say, on that particular event, we weren't paid a single solitary dime. But it's cool, maybe it'll be rectified in the future like Gary said.
    Anyways, I think the sound at the venue, for whatever reason (there's still a shitton of exposed concrete) has improved pretty dramatically. Most of the shows that I've seen there lately have sounded pretty decent.

    On the proliferation of venues in MOrgantown... The more the merrier really. As long as artists continue to play rockin' shows and mix up a bill every once in awhile, venue's should have to compete with one another to keep things like specials, beer prices, wet t-shirt contests, etc... nice and frugal for the public. Then the artists will eventually seperate the suck from the uh, blow I guess, and we'll all end up partying in mansions. Whee!

     
  • At 9/27/2005 9:36 PM, Blogger Skull-Shaped Maracas said…

    amen to that, slim!

     
  • At 9/28/2005 12:39 PM, Blogger miafrate said…

    mixed experiences at the rosewood, money-wise. all the shows have been good though. and j demko was doing sound, so it was, of course, pretty sweet.

     
  • At 9/28/2005 1:27 PM, Blogger Skull-Shaped Maracas said…

    my money experiences with the rosewood was mixed -- and mixed low (anywhere from 30-70 bucks at the three shows i played there), but the low turnout was probably my fault for not putting enough flyers up. plus, i had just started doing this 1MB and not many people knew about it.

    sound wasn't an issue because i played on the floor, with vocals coming through a guitar amp.

    when peter and the pets played there, we played on the stage (naturally), and i hadda turn my amp down real low. but demko made it work out for us, god bless him.

     
  • At 9/28/2005 1:48 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    Hey is anyone gonna post any stories on here 'sides me? Ooh I just checked out wordpress.com. Open source free bloghosting with software and they've got categories. *salivates* (end geekage)

     
  • At 9/28/2005 2:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    As far as the Corner Cafe is concerned, I'm done booking there. Sorry, J.

    The Against Me! show on November 28th will be the last show I do for Morgantown, I think. I hope everyone enjoyed the bands I brought to town. Here's someone's chance to help Doug out at the Corner Cafe. They need all the help they can get.

    -Bryan

     
  • At 9/28/2005 3:43 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    Sorry to hear that, Bryan. I thought the quality of shows booked there had gone up a lot since you took over.

     
  • At 9/28/2005 4:11 PM, Blogger miafrate said…

    wordpress is indeed sweet.

     
  • At 9/28/2005 4:53 PM, Blogger Skull-Shaped Maracas said…

    i totally respect your decision bryan, but it's a shame you're quitting. i thought you did a great job.

    *sigh*

    j

     
  • At 9/29/2005 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I've been talking to a lot of people lately about the rosewood. This is mainly due to the fact that several people I work with have attended some show there recently.

    The #1 complaint about the place? The chairs. Especially when there aren't enough chairs for all the people who bought tickets. I realize that people like to sit down at events like this now and then, but lets be honest with outselves... this is a bar, not a theatre, no matter how many "PLEASE BE QUIET" signs you put up... bars do not have rows and rows of chairs. Now, on the "quiet" note...

    Complaint #2 - All the damn SHHHHHHHH!!!!ing that goes on in that place. I'm sure opinions on this will be varied, but I for one think the notion of being quiet as a church mouse IN A BAR, at a musical event is ludicrous. I mean, I thought these people were ex-hippies? Didn't they invent things like f**king in public and dropping acid and "damning the man?" C'mon.

    All that being said, my main qualification for criticism is many years attending music events in a variety of settings. I think I know the difference between a "bar" and a "theatre." Gary - you have a bar. Deal with it. Ditch the chairs, and quit glaring at people who talk.

    -Evan!

     
  • At 9/29/2005 4:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i agree with evan. hot tuna last night was rough with all the sssssshhhhhing and angry old folks. there are two solutions to this problem

    a) get a bigger pa. check out the pa they have in fatty loafs to play dead cds on. it's bigger than the one hot tuna was playing out of.

    or, the option that no right minded venue owner would ever agree too...

    b) don't sell beer while the band is on. that'll shut folks up real quick.

     
  • At 9/29/2005 5:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    thanks for the ups.

    yeah, so they were using elements of Demko's gear at one point, eh? I talked very briefly with Demko about that place. It seems that the trouble is - you can't play loud music without having a lot of echo and mushiness. so, maybe the answer to ALL the problems (well, maybe not the chairs problem...) is to redesign that room to be better suited for sound, and then get a bigger system. sound complicated. and expensive. and wouldn't you know it, I'm flat broke. the patrons lose again!

    Evan!

     
  • At 9/29/2005 10:42 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    Well, plus I'm thinking of my folks here (my dad remembers Mind Garage), they'd probably like the sound at the level it's at now. I think it's one of those situations where you deal with the volume problem and move on, I guess. So the Hot Tuna attendance was pretty good? I'm glad to hear some of these events are pulling in people.

     
  • At 9/29/2005 11:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hot Tuna was sold out last night. Which is a great thing, especially considering it was $30 a pop. The sound could have been louder, and there was a real sense of being all cramped up, since it was almost entirely seated and those of us without one were left to fend for ourselves.

     
  • At 9/29/2005 11:56 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    $30! Damn! Well sounds like the Rosewood's financial troubles are over for a while at least!

     
  • At 9/30/2005 10:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Maybe, but I imagine that Hot Tuna's guarentee is pretty hefty. At least judging by their tour bus which took up most of Walnut St.

     
  • At 9/30/2005 1:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    thats what I was thinking, aaron. I bet that band cost a TON of money. seems a show like that mught be over the upper limit of aspirations for a venue that size. whatever the case, kill the chairs. ha!

    Evan!

     
  • At 10/03/2005 11:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I've played the rosewood a couple of times, and I would have to say that I don't really care if I play there again. The first time I played there, Gary shorted us on our guarantee. The second time we got jerked around with our starting time, causing all of our people to arrive for the last two songs of our set. The sound leaves a lot to be desired and I, too, have been there when they "ran out" of the cheap beer.

    To me, it feels like they just want to be a part-time venue, in a way. If you're going to open up a bar/music venue in a college town, you have to be ready for every thing that comes along with that. Telling people to be quiet in a bar? If you had to wear you Sunday best (or better)to the concert, shut the fuck up.....If you're ordering a beer at a concert, tell the people "shhh"ing you to shut the fuck up.

     
  • At 10/05/2005 2:09 PM, Blogger Skull-Shaped Maracas said…

    though nothing like that has happened to me (at the rosewood, anyway), the fact that people were "shuushed" at a rock and roll show by ANYONE, be it gary or the staff, simply goes against everything rock and roll is about. grrrrr.

     

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